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Old 30th April 2012   #1
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OMD gold award at dpreview

A full review and a gold award no less
. . it appeared just after I placed my order - funny that!
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Re: OMD gold award at dpreview

Hi there Jono, thanks for the link.
Did you order the 12-50 and grip as well ?

Edit: I'm interested to read how it compares to the G3.

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HI Bart
The review is interesting - they seem to think that the dynamic range is better than the G3 . . . and the RAW high ISO looks better as well.
I've ordered the kit lens - the grips come free (which was why I cracked and ordered it today).

I've actually put my A900 and some lenses up on ebay - I've come to the conclusion that with the M remaining my main camera, mirror less cameras are good enough now to mean that I simply don't need a large SLR anymore (it wasn't getting used much anyway).

the 24-100 kit lens on the OMD really is my favourite range, and the macro facility makes it a real 'do everything'

I'm going to spend some time doing a proper comparison with the NEX7 and decide which one is for me. I've always had a soft spot for Olympus (E10, E1, E3).

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Re: OMD gold award at dpreview

Aha, spring-cleaning your gear arsenal ?
Regarding Dpreview's article, just read the comparison and conclusion sections and it seems obvious the E-M5 definitely has an edge over the G3.
Two weeks ago, I had the opportunity to hold an E-M5 with the 12-50 and grip and I was very very impressed by this package.
FWIW the lens has some nifty tricks up its sleeve.

However without the option of a free grip here, I'll wait a bit to see what Leica has in store for us ...

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Re: OMD gold award at dpreview

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I'm going to spend some time doing a proper comparison with the NEX7 and decide which one is for me. I've always had a soft spot for Olympus (E10, E1, E3).
'What he said', exactly.
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Hi Jono,

Interesting that you are selling the Sony A900 too. I am weighing up doing this as well, as I am not using it much, as I prefer the much smaller Ricoh GXR with Zeiss & Leica RF primes for most work.

However there will be times I would like to have a faster AF system for wildlife or motor sports. I think I could part with the A900, but selling my good Sony Alpha & Zeiss lenses would be very hard, so I'm not thinking of doing that, possibly the solution is an NEX-7 plus the LA-EA2 phase detect adaptor so I have the option of using my Alpha mount lenses. I'm not really wanting another DSLR at all, as I just wouldn't get enough use out of it.

Things are further complicated by my lust for the Fuji XP1, but that can wait

Never had any Olympus or M4/3 gear, but will watch with interest how it goes.

Has it arrived yet?
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HI Bart - David
Yes - spring clean clear out!
I was going to sell the Zeiss 135 f1.8 as well . . . . .until I looked at it again, so that one stays.
I don't often want fast AF - and the OMD does seem fast anyway for single shot mode, and I really never use continuous focus anyway. But as you say David the NEX-7 plus adapter is always a possibility.

The Fuji XP1 obviously has fantastic image quality, but I don't need that kind of AF, and the M9 does a grand job already, and with the M10 likely to appear this year, I don't need to go down that road!

I picked the camera up at lunchtime - nice little package - very quite shutter (hooray) and it feels and looks solid and nice - I've put a couple of out of camera jpgs in the 'fun with OMD' thread. I hope to spend a happy evening fiddling with it and checking out the menus.

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Decisions, decisions...

Saw the photos you posted, looking good. I'm sure you will be adding more super lenses to that system.

Happy fiddling Jono :-)
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Ordered mine today, will get it on Wednesday.

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I hope to spend a happy evening fiddling with it and checking out the menus.

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I hope you have a very long evening. I took DPreview pages just to show all the options

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The review says the focus tracking on the OM-D is very disappointing. Too bad - I thought I could use it for fast moving sports. I have written a review of the NEX-7 with the phase adapter as a sports camera that will appear soon on stevehuffphoto.com.
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The review says the focus tracking on the OM-D is very disappointing. Too bad - I thought I could use it for fast moving sports. I have written a review of the NEX-7 with the phase adapter as a sports camera that will appear soon on stevehuffphoto.com.
For focus tracking looks like the Nikon 1 is the best game in town.
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For focus tracking looks like the Nikon 1 is the best game in town.
Unfortunately, the frame rate of the Nikon 1 is 5 fps while focusing, but an impressive 10, 30 or 60 fps while focus is locked, but it takes between 23 and 86 seconds to clear the buffer after 1-3 seconds of shooting. That's a non-starter.
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Unfortunately, the frame rate of the Nikon 1 is 5 fps while focusing, but an impressive 10, 30 or 60 fps while focus is locked, but it takes between 23 and 86 seconds to clear the buffer after 1-3 seconds of shooting. That's a non-starter.
I don't want to hijack the thread but did you test J1 or V1? The buffers are very different.
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Re: OMD gold award at dpreview

fwiw this is a really fun camera. I like the 12-50 a lot though I had to stumble on some operation options (manual...what's that?!?!). The macro feature is cool, and being able to choose between regular zoom operation and a "power zoom" is nice - at least they give you the option. I've been *really* impressed with the 25/1.4 and the 45/1.8 reminds me of Pentax ltd lenses. My g/f likes the touchscreen focus/shutter option and I like the EVF since I don't have to don reading glasses to shoot using that.

My main gripe with the E-P1 was AF speed and some operation quirks. Same with the NEX-5N. I have no complaints about the AF on the OMD. I'm sure I'll run into some quirks - and I wish it had pull focus in video via the touchscreen. But so far so good.
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Unfortunately, the frame rate of the Nikon 1 is 5 fps while focusing, but an impressive 10, 30 or 60 fps while focus is locked, but it takes between 23 and 86 seconds to clear the buffer after 1-3 seconds of shooting. That's a non-starter.
Well,

it really depends what you are looking for. I took Motor Cross pictures (something rather really fast moving objects) and had no issue with the V1 and 10-30 lens attached in continuous focus and continuous shooting mode. All tack sharp! I had no issues with slow clearing buffer .... ????
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I tend to pick out the good points of the review, which basically say that 'all things considered it is so marginal compared to other mirrorless cameras you can only get better by going FF'.

My other camera is a Leica M9....., and after an initial rough and ready outing today I would tend to agree with DPR. The OM-D doesn't feel out of place against a FF setup with the worlds best lenses, different sure, but ethos very much the same. Tomorrow I will try my 4/3 HG lenses to compare with the 12-50mm kit lens, but I'm happy so far.

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fwiw this is a really fun camera. I like the 12-50 a lot though I had to stumble on some operation options (manual...what's that?!?!). The macro feature is cool, and being able to choose between regular zoom operation and a "power zoom" is nice - at least they give you the option. I've been *really* impressed with the 25/1.4 and the 45/1.8 reminds me of Pentax ltd lenses. My g/f likes the touchscreen focus/shutter option and I like the EVF since I don't have to don reading glasses to shoot using that.

My main gripe with the E-P1 was AF speed and some operation quirks. Same with the NEX-5N. I have no complaints about the AF on the OMD. I'm sure I'll run into some quirks - and I wish it had pull focus in video via the touchscreen. But so far so good.
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I'm with you . . . . after a few hours playing I'm in danger of superlatives. Suffice to say, it feels like a camera, the kit lens appears to be both nice to use and excellent quality for a 4 time zoom, the shutter noise is delightful. I've only shot jpg so far (just playing) but they seem really good . . . .and I was always a sucker for the Olympus colour.
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My other camera is a Leica M9....., and after an initial rough and ready outing today I would tend to agree with DPR. The OM-D doesn't feel out of place against a FF setup with the worlds best lenses, different sure, but ethos very much the same. Tomorrow I will try my 4/3 HG lenses to compare with the 12-50mm kit lens, but I'm happy so far.

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Ditto - my feelings and situation exactly
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Hi Jono,

I looked up and found out that the NEX-5N and the NEX-7 also were awarded this gold.

The M9 seems to have missed the gold.
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The review is interesting - they seem to think that the dynamic range is better than the G3 . . . and the RAW high ISO looks better as well.
I've ordered the kit lens - the grips come free (which was why I cracked and ordered it today).
I did an examination myself with dcraw of someone at dpreview (rickyastro? I forgot), that kindly posted shots in same ballpark conditions of the GH2 and the EM5.

My analysis puts the highlight DR at slightly over 1 stop and shadow dr at a notch better than the GH2! Therefore it is indeed better than the G3/GX1 by a noticeable margin because the GH2 by reference to the others, scores best in DR (Dxo). In fact the GH2 was the best 4/3rds/ m4/3rds DR until now.

This also made me change what I thought was at first a tweaked GX1 sensor (and if it's a tweak it's a hell of a hardware tweak!). For some reason early images that came out didn't show this kind of performance. I wonder how many "reviews" had in their hands pre-release/beta cameras and not final product.

Really happy for Olympus here and glad they were able to put a nice sensor on a new camera. I don't know why people find the price expensive. Even with the GX1 sensor, I would have found the price fair for the whole package. I think the price is quite adequate, very much unlike what happened when the E-5 was released.

At this point I am thinking a bit about it as a way to consolidate using two cameras (Q and K-5), but not sure yet. I like the Q and K-5 a lot, but having two instead of one is something that I think gets in the way of focus- for me. Maybe I'll learn to really live with that. On the other hand the EM-5 doesn't get me pocket ability but I think if at least I could put it away in a pocket without a lens I could deal. I just want an option of "putting away the camera" and be able to "wear it" while forgetting about it.

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Hooray on the shutter sound noise level: this is very important for me. I mention the GXR 50 macro model in this regard, too: it's super quiet.
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The M9 seems to have missed the gold.
There was never a full review, that's why.
Otherwise it surely was rewarded platinum ...

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Love the shutter sound. Regarding the K5 (and I have sentimental Pentax feelings) for reference my g/f has a Sony a67. It is a *much* bigger camera than the OMD. Really night and day. The K5 may be a bit smaller than the a67, but the OMD is smaller than it looks in pics, and does not have the profile or bulk of any of the dSLRs, even the small ones.
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Well my dealer confirmed receipt of my NEX-7 kit that i am trading for the OM-D. I am merely waiting on the shipping message to alight in my inbox.
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Well my dealer confirmed receipt of my NEX-7 kit that i am trading for the OM-D. I am merely waiting on the shipping message to alight in my inbox.
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I hope you'll be happy together - my NEX7 stays for the time being. I'm going to do a relaxed and unpressured comparison before I decide which way to go.
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The M9 seems to have missed the gold.
Yes no full review, and what would they have written about there are only a couple of controls to twiddle, it would have taken one page!

As regards the OM-D I admit I am baffled with all the customization available (but know my way around an Olympus 'DSLR' by owning an E3), but after charging the battery and setting the quality menu I ran out and started taking pictures. Now that is what I find impressive, as soon as the camera was at my eye I didn't think about it, simple, easy, nothing to get in the way, a photographers camera. My recent short affair with a Fuji X10 compact was quite the opposite, forever the nagging doubt that I had forgotten to set something properly, forever trawling the menu for clues.

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Yes no full review, and what would they have written about there are only a couple of controls to twiddle, it would have taken one page!

As regards the OM-D I admit I am baffled with all the customization available (but know my way around an Olympus 'DSLR' by owning an E3), but after charging the battery and setting the quality menu I ran out and started taking pictures. Now that is what I find impressive, as soon as the camera was at my eye I didn't think about it, simple, easy, nothing to get in the way, a photographers camera. My recent short affair with a Fuji X10 compact was quite the opposite, forever the nagging doubt that I had forgotten to set something properly, forever trawling the menu for clues.

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HI Steve
I sat in bed last night and went down through the menus - most of it's fairly unnecessary, but none of it seems particularly complicated, and it is reasonably arranged. I changed the AEL button functionality, put ISO on the video button ,removed auto NR on the jpgs and put shutter speed on the front dial in shutter priority - that was it.

I agree though, and had the same experience with the X10 - the OMD does seem like a photographer's camera - I'm having fun (I just wish that Apple would hurry up and support the RAW files).

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Yes no full review, and what would they have written about there are only a couple of controls to twiddle, it would have taken one page!

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I hope you'll be happy together - my NEX7 stays for the time being. I'm going to do a relaxed and unpressured comparison before I decide which way to go.
I wanted to do the same thing, but a lack of cash precludes such luxury. I will have to go off of my copious notes, thousands of shots and elephantine memory for the NEX-7 part of my report.
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I am wavering. I love the idea of these cameras but never fell in love with the ones I owned. The original Pen was too slow at focusing, the G (1, I think ) didn't have stabilization with the fantastic 20 1.7 and many of the current lenses just were not out when I last ventured here.

I primarily shoot Canon and concentrate on people and sometimes landscapes. I like this camera better than the Nikon for these purposes as I always disliked the Nikon colors (except for the D2H).

I used to have an E3 and my favorite lens was the 12-60. Fast, sharp and great colors. I gave it up to move to a camera with better low light performance. However I still remember it fondly. It and a Nikon D2H were probably my favorite digital cameras.

I may have dallied with a few other great cameras over the years (D700, X100, K5, 5N) but the grass was always greener. Can any one here relate?

I like the idea of the OMD - small and I could carry it anywhere. I won't sell the Canon system and will keep it for its intended use.

What do you think of the OMD with the 12-50 and a 45 as a carry everywhere kit? Will I love the responsiveness, the picture quality?

The photos here are representative of what i usually take:
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Forgive the long winded message, I would love to hear any opinions.

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HI Jim
Not making judgements yet . .. a friend of mine once said that the definition of good technology is that it is 'not irritating'. Certainly I've not been irritated by the OMD yet.
The Kit lens seems very reminiscent of the 12-60 (I also remember the E3 and 12-60 with much fondness) - of course, it's slower, but then the IS is better, and the high ISO of the camera is much better than the E3
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Jono, I'll be very interested to hear your review and comparison with the NEX7. I still kept my NEX5n (with a single 18-200 for video) because it adapts so well with M lenses. But the AF in OMD amazes me and IBIS with 12-50 lens seems like a good video solution with weather seal.
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Jono, I'll be very interested to hear your review and comparison with the NEX7. I still kept my NEX5n (with a single 18-200 for video) because it adapts so well with M lenses. But the AF in OMD amazes me and IBIS with 12-50 lens seems like a good video solution with weather seal.
Hi there David - the NEX5n is a lovely camera - and, as you say, works well with M lenses - haven't tried the OMD with m lenses (I'm sure I have an adapter somewhere, but I simply can't find the damned thing!) The lack of focus peaking makes it less than ideal - on the other hand I think the focus assist is probably better implemented.

I suspect that, in the end, it's going to come down to ergonomics and functionality rather than Image quality.

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Jono, Steen is trying a sell a couple of these (M) adapters, in case you can not locate yours.
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Jono, Steen is trying a sell a couple of these (M) adapters, in case you can not locate yours.
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to be honest . . . . and generally speaking, I'd rather use my M lenses on my M9, and native m43 lenses on the OMD - I don't think I'm going to buy another adapter . . . but if I found one in the kitchen then that might be different!

Incidentally Vivek do you have the CV 25 f0.95? Fatally I just discovered that it focuses down to 17cm. I'd be interested in your judgement.

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I sat in bed last night and went down through the menus - most of it's fairly unnecessary, but none of it seems particularly complicated, and it is reasonably arranged. I changed the AEL button functionality, put ISO on the video button ,removed auto NR on the jpgs and put shutter speed on the front dial in shutter priority - that was it.

I agree though, and had the same experience with the X10 - the OMD does seem like a photographer's camera - I'm having fun (I just wish that Apple would hurry up and support the RAW files).

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Hi Jono,

No, I do not have the C-V 25/0.95. I am mighty interested in the 17/0.95.

There is a rumored upcoming 35/0.95 from China (see: http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/sony/3...35-0-95-a.html).

I do have several 25/0.95 lenses that are usable on the m4/3rds cams.

Angenieux 25/0.95, Som Berthiot 25/0.95, Senko/Navitar/Unknown c mount each...

The first two have their own specific "characters".

OTOH, to remind your own advice, you may find it rewarding to get those R luxes very soon. Sounds very OT and cryptic. Sorry can't give any more details but I will not regret having mentioned this in the context of Noct!

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to be honest . . . . and generally speaking, I'd rather use my M lenses on my M9, and native m43 lenses on the OMD - I don't think I'm going to buy another adapter . . . but if I found one in the kitchen then that might be different!

Incidentally Vivek do you have the CV 25 f0.95? Fatally I just discovered that it focuses down to 17cm. I'd be interested in your judgement.

all the best
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No, I do not have the C-V 25/0.95. I am mighty interested in the 17/0.95.

There is a rumored upcoming 35/0.95 from China (see: http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/sony/3...35-0-95-a.html).

I do have several 25/0.95 lenses that are usable on the m4/3rds cams.

Angenieux 25/0.95, Som Berthiot 25/0.95, Senko/Navitar/Unknown c mount each...

The first two have their own specific "characters".
Thanks Vivek . . . truth to tell it was only a little whim when I discovered how close it focused - for me mirror less cameras are fundamentally an AF zoom experience . . . .
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OTOH, to remind your own advice, you may find it rewarding to get those R luxes very soon. Sounds very OT and cryptic. Sorry can't give any more details but I will not regret having mentioned this in the context of Noct!
Ah! I'm sure you're right . . I've collected one or two R lenses (notably the 28-90 and the 180 f2.8 APO) . . they're expensive enough now, but I'm sure they'll get much worse!

I'll go looking!
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For those who want the most out of their E-M5 ... Dpreview's E-M5 Users Guide

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Thanks Bart - it's really useful - and when you've bought your copy from the guy in Buy and Sell in Spain you'll be able to join in too
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Had some time to play with the E-M5 this past Sunday at the store.

- Nice feel, tight and solid.
- It's small!
- Lots of controls*in a cramped space, but what you need to work with*all the time is easy to deal with.
- Good viewfinder, good LCD.
- Don't like the 12-50 zoom, but the 45/1.8 is delightful.

All in all, a fine piece from Olympus, as I always expect. I wish it were 20% larger overall, though.

(And I'm happy with my current equipment ... not looking to buy anything photographic. I've been putting money into shaping up die Gelbe Gefahr instead... ;-)
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All in all, a fine piece from Olympus, as I always expect. I wish it were 20% larger overall, though.
fwiw it looks like adding half of the grip (the non-battery part) will get you that 20% increase in size. I'm looking forward to adding that as I could use a bit more grab space. Of course that won't fix the buttons being tight but so far I can live with it and once configured I don't do much button fiddling. Mostly wheel turning and screen touching.
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Mine should arrive today, and I will pick up a grip and an extra battery when I get to the US in a couple of weeks. I wonder if Richard Franiac is planning a grip... I will check and report back.
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Mine should arrive today, and I will pick up a grip and an extra battery when I get to the US in a couple of weeks. I wonder if Richard Franiac is planning a grip... I will check and report back.
Hi Kit
Good luck - I'll be fascinated by your response . . I think I'm slightly in love (and that's not common)
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the battery is charging now...

I have emailed Richard Freniec re. whether he is planning a grip, and his work is stellar—if he does decide to make one for this camera, I'd buy one sight unseen: the three other grips I have bought from him transformed the respective bodies, from an ergonomic POV.

I have the 20/1.7, the 25/1.4 and the 45/1.8. Once battery is charged, good to go.

First impressions? Compact, and well set out (the playback and Fn1 buttons are close together!) and I feel a grip will be very helpful.

Jono: do you have a setup for simple folk for the OM-D? I use your setup on the NEX exclusively. I notice on the NEX-7, though unless you use AUTO ISO and P, turning the dial jumps the ISO and shutter speed by a full stop—I would love half or third stops, if possible.
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Mine should arrive today, and I will pick up a grip and an extra battery when I get to the US in a couple of weeks. I wonder if Richard Franiac is planning a grip... I will check and report back.
Forget the RF grip .. its just a bit of CNC machined plastic
The Full Oly grip is way to go two extra shutters control wheel sets + battery storage and Bfn1 Bfn2 buttons to configure.
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Jono: do you have a setup for simple folk for the OM-D? I use your setup on the NEX exclusively. I notice on the NEX-7, though unless you use AUTO ISO and P, turning the dial jumps the ISO and shutter speed by a full stop—I would love half or third stops, if possible.
My name isn't Jono, but here are one or two helpful things :

1) Richard Butler at DPreview has issued an article on how to configure the OM-D, in which he explains some quirks of the camera.
User Guide: Getting the most out of the Olympus E-M5: Digital Photography Review

2) Here you'll find a link to how you can configure customs set of settings in the Olympus cameras, using the Mysets options :
Re: MySets - DekHog's help file extracted here.: Micro Four Thirds Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review

Hope this helps.
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