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Old 28th May 2011   #1
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To those with both the X100 and m43

Hi there

I have been happy to date with my m43 gear, however, I must say that I am lusting over the X100. Ok, drooling. It is beautiful little camera and from my brief time with it and the images I've seen, it seem like a great camera. I also love the fact I can go totally stealth with it (totally silent operation).

For those of you who have both an X100 and an m43 system, do you find yourself reaching for one camera over the other? I know m43 has more flexibility in terms of lenses, etc., but I did find using the X100 to be quite liberating. And when you work within the quirks of the X100, it can produce really nice results.

So... I would love to hear your thoughts if you could share them with me.

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I carry the m43 when I intend to shoot with malice and forethought, and the x100 when I am not.
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It would totally depend what you want to shoot. I had a complete m4/3 system with every panasonic lens they made but ended up selling it all in the end because I found the Sony NEX, followed by the X100 worked better for what I liked to shoot.

So I'd grab the X100 hands down over m4/3, if we were talking about going out with say the GF1 w/ 20mm or the X100. X100 simply handles better, produces much nicer files etc, I think thats more or less a given.

Thing is though that the X100 is a bit limited overall, which again is sort of a given.

If you've got a Gh1 and the 100-300 zoom, and your going to lets say the zoo, I wouldn't expect anyone to grab the X100 in that case. You want the 600mm equiv reach, not 35mm.

Have to ask yourself though how often do you want to do that type of shooting vs how often do you do a style where 35mm works better. Do both bring you equal enjoyment ? Can you afford both or does it have to be one or the other ?

As much as I enjoyed my m4/3 and lenses like the 7-14 and 100-300, I really didn't shoot with them that often, not enough to have a couple grand tied up in the system.

So long answer short, if its JUST a m4/3 with 20mm, then its X100 everytime, its just way more fun to shoot, better IQ etc. If its a full m4/3 system or X100, well then it would really depend on the situation
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I owned a LUMIX G1 with the kit lens and the 20/1.7. I sold it in order to buy the X100. I also have two D700 bodies so the X100's fixed lens is not an issue.

The X100 RAW files are significantly superior in every way. This is simply due to the physics of Bayer sensors. The X100 RAW files are better than those from my D300 and they are very close in quality to the D700's.

The X100 lens outperforms the 20/1.7 in some areas. In other areas the 20/1.7 is better. Because of the clever in-camera lens correction parameters, the two lenses are dead even in my view. Without the in-camera corrections, the X100 lens outperforms the 20/1.7 by a great deal.

Fly-by-wire manual focus works better with the 20/1.7 - G1 combination. However I use manual focus most of the time with the X100. You may read manual focus is horrible on the X100. It is not.

The X100 OVF is a joy to use. The focus/DOF bar in the display is an important feature for me.. The X100 is whisper quiet. If you prefer manual operation, the X100 delivers. I find the X100 EVF to be superior to the G1's. The X100 flash sync speed is at least 1/1000 sec.

The X!00 menu and operational philosophy is inferior to the G1. The X100 has a much steeper learning curve. Obviously the X100 is not as flexible. The X100 requires a San Disk Extreme Pro card for quick operation. The metering performance is the same for both cameras.

I carry the X100 with me wherever I go.
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So long answer short, if its JUST a m4/3 with 20mm, then its X100 everytime, its just way more fun to shoot, better IQ etc. If its a full m4/3 system or X100, well then it would really depend on the situation
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Fly-by-wire manual focus works better with the 20/1.7 - G1 combination. However I use manual focus most of the time with the X100. You may read manual focus is horrible on the X100. It is not.
Do you use manual focus with the OVF? I found that it was really difficult to use as there was no indication as to what was focused on, and no focus confirmation (I do think manual focus worked well in EVF mode). Just interested.
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Sold GF1 for x100. The one big advantage GF1 has is faster autofocus/shutter release time. You'll encounter if you're shooting sports or fast street shooting moments- quite frustrating with x100 unless you set a very high f stop and lock focus at best hyperfocal distance.
Other then that, x100 takes a bit of time to get used to, but I love it. Great high ISO, coming from Leica M days nice to have option of M style rangefinder.
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Valid points, however would one really shoot sports with either camera ? I make my living as a sports photographer and have tried my GH1 a few times at some games, and while it is a really nice video camera, it couldn't remotely AF well enough for sports. I've really found the AF on the X100 to be quite snappy overall, sort of tracking a running footballer, and while it can sometimes hunt in very low light, so can my others cameras as well, even high end Nikon's. Everyone is certainly a bit different in their perceptions and needs though.

Regarding the shutter release time though, I don't agree with you on that one. I find the shutter very responsive with no lag I can detect. If your shooting in MF mode, and using the AF/AE button to focus, instead of the half press method, the shutter button will always fire the camera instantly.

Not that the GF1 is any slower, but its not any faster either. In fact, I find the X100 to feel just as responsive as my M9 was as well.

Is there perhaps some mode or something with the metering in the menu's that might account for your delayed shutter response time ? From my experience there shouldn't be any detectable lag.


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Sold GF1 for x100. The one big advantage GF1 has is faster autofocus/shutter release time. You'll encounter if you're shooting sports or fast street shooting moments- quite frustrating with x100 unless you set a very high f stop and lock focus at best hyperfocal distance.
Other then that, x100 takes a bit of time to get used to, but I love it. Great high ISO, coming from Leica M days nice to have option of M style rangefinder.
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Re: To those with both the X100 and m43

Thank you to everyone who replied.

My initial thought was to get the X100 as a general walk around camera, one I will always have with me. I have a GH2 + 20/1.7 (and other lenses), however, I don't feel compelled to take it with me everywhere, even though it is pretty lightweight (compared to my D3 and glass which what I used for paid assignments).

To John et al. who had a GF1+20/1.7 and sold it for an X100 .... any regrets in doing so?

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Thank you to everyone who replied.
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To John et al. who had a GF1+20/1.7 and sold it for an X100 .... any regrets in doing so?
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I would love to know the answer to this too!

I wonder though, how much does the actual cosmetic looks of the X100 sway people towards choosing it over a Gh2 or Gh1 or similar.... or to put it another way, if the X100 looked the same as a Panasonic rather than a Leica, how many would choose it then purely for its photographic capabilities?

It's just such a good looking camera its hard to be objective about it!
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Thank you to everyone who replied.

My initial thought was to get the X100 as a general walk around camera, one I will always have with me. I have a GH2 + 20/1.7 (and other lenses), however, I don't feel compelled to take it with me everywhere, even though it is pretty lightweight (compared to my D3 and glass which what I used for paid assignments).

To John et al. who had a GF1+20/1.7 and sold it for an X100 .... any regrets in doing so?

Thanks again for all of the replies!
Roel,

I still have the GF1+20 and for awhile it was my goto walk around camera. Next came a Sigma DP2s which produced superior image quality, but at the expense of ergonomics (great sensor in an inferior camera) - definitely not the best choice for walk around use. I ended up using the DP2s exclusively at ISO 50 on a small tripod before I came to my senses and moved on. Now working with the X100 which is much more to my liking for casual, walk around shooting. Image quality is very good and DR best of the of the three cameras. There are a few quirks, but otherwise no major complaints. I did not like using either the LCD nor the add on external viewfinder on the GF1, so I traded off exchangeable lens capability and excellent, fast AF for the more limited FOV, slightly slower X100 for fast eye level viewing with my choice of EVF or optical finders.
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Looks are nice, but for me, its the viewfinder. I tried the GF1 and just don't like having to hold the camera in outstretched arms to compose on the back LCD. Got the accessory EVF for it and really wasn't impressed. X100 even in EVF mode is much better.

For me though, its all about the OVF, and feeling like I'm still connected to the scene. Viewing through a EVF, even a good one, just feels like your somehow removed, that its not longer reality. Sounds crazy perhaps but with the OVF I feel like the camera isn't there, I'm looking past it and into the scene.
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Nicely put - excellent

Do you use manual focus with the OVF? I found that it was really difficult to use as there was no indication as to what was focused on, and no focus confirmation (I do think manual focus worked well in EVF mode). Just interested.
Yes, I do use MF in OVF mode. I set all the electronic sounds to off except for the "operational sounds". Operational sounds means menu selection and AF confirmation. Using the focus beep to know when focus is set gives valuable feedback about how the AF system works.

I use no power saving options whatsoever. This increases the AF capture speed.

In MF mode only, the AFL button initiates AF to pre-focus the lens. I look for something with with contrast near where I want focus. In low light it may take a couple of button presses to find a region with suitable contrast. Note: in AFS mode the AFL button locks focus until the button is pressed again or until the shutter is fired. In AFS mode the only way to initiate AF capture is a shutter half press.

When I hear the focus confirmation beep, I look at the focus/DOF bar in the
OVF display. If the focus distance makes sense and if the DOF is wide enough, I recompose as needed and press the shutter. When the subject us close (6-10 feet) and the DOF is narrow, I press the command switch. This instantly enters EVF mode and zooms the display. When the display is zoomed, I can visually evaluate the focus. If the AFL button press got focus close, fine tuning focus using the lens barrel is not a problem. A second press of the command button restores the normal OVF display. Or, you can just press the shutter and take the photo.

In very low light I switch to AFS mode. I use the AF button to reduce the focus region box.

In either AFS or MF mode, when you're looking through the finder, the only reliable confirmation of focus is the beep. Sometimes the focus frame will turn green too. However in MF mode I do not trust the focus frame color change to green as a focus indicator. If you lock focus in AFS mode, the box stays green no matter what. Locking focus in MF mode does not make sense. Focus will only change in MF mode if you press the AFL button or turn the lens collar.

The key to using MF in OVF (or EVF) mode is to pre-focus using AF via the AFL button.

Practice with feedback from the focus confirmation beep will help you figure out how to find a region with suitable contrast for pre-focus.

As the subject distance decreases, parallax error in OVF mode reduces he accuracy of the AFL pre-focus point. Focus adjustment in zoom mode becomes important. This also the case when DOF is shallow.

Sometimes (usually when the subject is close) EVF mode is the only practical way to compose and focus.
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To John et al. who had a GF1+20/1.7 and sold it for an X100 .... any regrets in doing so?!
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Valid points, however would one really shoot sports with either camera ? I make my living as a sports photographer and have tried my GH1 a few times at some games, and while it is a really nice video camera, it couldn't remotely AF well enough for sports. I've really found the AF on the X100 to be quite snappy overall, sort of tracking a running footballer, and while it can sometimes hunt in very low light, so can my others cameras as well, even high end Nikon's. Everyone is certainly a bit different in their perceptions and needs though.

Regarding the shutter release time though, I don't agree with you on that one. I find the shutter very responsive with no lag I can detect. If your shooting in MF mode, and using the AF/AE button to focus, instead of the half press method, the shutter button will always fire the camera instantly.

Not that the GF1 is any slower, but its not any faster either. In fact, I find the X100 to feel just as responsive as my M9 was as well.

Is there perhaps some mode or something with the metering in the menu's that might account for your delayed shutter response time ? From my experience there shouldn't be any detectable lag.
Thanks for your feedback. You are right- on manual you can press the shutter and it activates immediately. But the experience in one shot AF is just slow from focus to release. I'd never miss shots with the GF1- I do with the X100. It's not about sports, haven't even tried- it's any fast PJ moment.
But... in most situations AF is fine. Just not quite up to those people in motion instant moments. Wish it were! I've contacted Fuji asking if they can do anything about this with firmware. Only problem I have with the camera.
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I have both X100 and m4/3. They are very different tools (IMHO). X100 kills my m4/3 cams (G2, E-P1, G1) in image quality. The X100 form allows me to carry it everywhere. I am happy with the 35mm focal length 90% of the time. The m4/3 is there for times when I want to put my Leica M lenses on a digital body or for when I need reach (for instance, the other night at a dance performance.)
I like the looks of the X100, but also like the Oly Pen form. I was not swayed by the way the X100 looks, only by the IQ and size (and past use of Fuji S5).
I have used the X100 extensively for a couple of weeks and have gotten very comfortable with the controls. I am using it in MF in pretty much the manner that Willie_901 has outlined above. I hope that Fuji addresses the firmware, but am very happy with the camera in any event.
If I could only have one or the other, X100 would win hands down.
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Re: To those with both the X100 and m43

I can only speak for x1 vs m4/3 (I have both).
Lately I have carried the x1 all the time, I prefered the IQ regards DR and color and the user interface of the x1.
But these days I have the feeling that fixed 35mm FOV can be quite a compromise sometimes, it works good, but sometimes other focal length can work better (IMO).
Thats why I just have planned to use the m4/3 more often again.
The other difference is AF-speed which makes quite a difference.

So IMO its a lot about the focal length you prefer.
Why not limit yourself to your m4/3 with a 17 or 20mm prime only and see if that works for you.
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Thank you again to all who responded. I really appreciate the feedback.

I placed my order for the X100 last night and I should get it sometime next week. I use the 20/1.7 all of the time on my m43 system (it is pretty much glued to the camera body), so I should be right at home with the X100.
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I only briefly owned the X100 before selling it. Compared to the Panasonic GH2, as everyone knows, the Fuji has better sensor image quality. However, I prefer the Lumix 20mm lens to the X100 lens and also prefer the GH2 EVF to the X100 hybrid viewfinder.

If I could only have the one lens, I'd still pick the GH2/Lumix 20 over the X100, because I love the Pana lens and often use it both close up and wide open, conditions where the Fuji lens suffers by comparison. The ability to switch lenses makes the choice even clearer for me.

If there were one thing about the X100 which I could transplant to the GH2, it wouldn't be the sensor performance. I'm plenty happy with the GH2 sensor performance, so the disparity in sensor image quality doesn't mean very much to me. What I would instead love to transplant would be the minimal sound and vibration of the shutter. Such a sweet little tick.
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I've come to a point where I am cross between the two as well. I have come from an old Nikon, a 5D/ 1DMk2 to the GH1 of which I've given it all up for financial reasons and lifestyle choices.

Right now I hate to bring any camera considered bulky since I don't shoot events anymore and it feels like I'm obligated to if I were to. So I'm crossed between the X100 and the GF1.

The GF1 + 20mm set up is cheaper in the start up but it's a two year old camera with an expensive EVF that's subpar. I use a viewfinder a lot. Word on the street is a panasonic X100-like camera will be coming out. But my guestimates tell me that buying the body will eventually cost about the same as the X100 now. Further that I will want to get a portrait lens etc etc. and it'll all add up.(Since that's the whole point of interchangeability)

If I go for the X100, hardly much is wrong that I can see. One of a kind O/EVF- I'm right in their target market, I'm in line with everything about it. Except video, which I do as a hobby as well. If there was a way to lock exposure or control shutter speed in movie mode. At first I thought since the shutter controls are all external, couldn't it be set through that? Or does the movie mode automatically overrides everything?

Hopefully the new firmware will address that. Since they seem thoughtful enough to allow a 3X digital zoom in video.
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I have been happy to date with my m43 gear, however, I must say that I am lusting over the X100. Ok, drooling. It is beautiful little camera and from my brief time with it and the images I've seen, it seem like a great camera. I also love the fact I can go totally stealth with it (totally silent operation).

For those of you who have both an X100 and an m43 system, do you find yourself reaching for one camera over the other? I know m43 has more flexibility in terms of lenses, etc., but I did find using the X100 to be quite liberating. And when you work within the quirks of the X100, it can produce really nice results.

So... I would love to hear your thoughts if you could share them with me.

Thanks in advance.

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I have both the x100 and the Ep2. My advise is to have BOTH. THe x100 will be my 35mm focal length. The Oly will be attached with a 25mm Voightlander 0.95 or a C Mount 25mm f1.4 lens.

I would sell the 20mm f1.7 lens to help finance the Fuji. To me the Fuji x100 is like a 35mm summaron lens, its reasonably prices for something that looks and feels so Leica like.

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Life is too short to miss out on the really FANTASTIC experience of shooting the x100 with EVF and OVF mode. If it doesnt work for you, the camera would probably sell off easily and you probably would have FREE use of the camera...haha.
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hi folks,

I ended up getting an X100 about a week ago. Love it. Just love it. It has a couple of quirks, but nothing that would inhibit me from shooting with it. In fact, it has purposefully slowed me down and makes me visualize and truly think about what it is I am trying to capture.

The IQ is simply awesome and I have to give kudos to Fuji for the OVF/EVF... they were really thinking outside of the box with this.

My m4/3 kit is pretty lonely these days as I mostly shot with my GF1 and 20mm pancake. It seems that my wife has taken a liking to it though, so all is not lost.

Thanks to all who contributed to this thread... I really appreciate the feedback.
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I'm quite tempted to move over to the X100 from my M4/3 kit myself. I am a big fan of the 35mm focal length, and the low light capabilities of the X100 are just making me drool.

I love the m4/3 system for its flexibility, but if I'm honest I'm too much of a gear nut to dabble in this system. I'm always wanting this accessory or that lens or that body, etc. etc. I like to collect things and it gets in the way of my shooting sometimes.

The simplicity of the X100 appeals greatly to me, especially because I have a fully stocked Canon DSLR system.
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I moved out of m43 some time ago. I find the X100 just what I need and want. It's very satisfying to once again just use 1 lens without the option of something else.
I'm a 35mm fov shooter also. The X100 is perfect if you just want to work.
If you like changing lenses, adapting all kinds of things to your body, carrying a camera bag with LORD knows what's in it, then the M43 is the way to go.

Nahhhh, not me...The X100 will shine light on your thoughts and not intrude in your vision.
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I am the OP and I must say I am thrilled with my X100. I know it is little quirky, but after the firmware upgrade, it does exactly what I need it to do. I am very happy with it and find the 35mm focal length is just right for me.

I have a Nikon D3s when I need an interchangeable lens system ... I just finished selling off my m4/3 kit as I do not see using it much now that I have the X100 and take it everywhere with me. There have been a couple times where I wished I had a longer focal length, but that doesn't happen very often.

Again, kudos to Fuji for this great little camera.
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I have been tempted by the x100 but finally didnt do it because I allread have the x1.
However over the last weeks something changed for me and I seem to not get along that well anymore with 35mm fov as only lens. It allways feels either too tight or too wide to me now.

Even though it cant compete IQ wise thats the reason why I now got a xz-1 (when I want small) and would prefer a m4/3 with 2 lenses (maybe the new Oly primes?) over the xz-1.
The big argument FOR the x100 is the optical viewfinder IMO-I just dont like EVF that much.

I just would recommend to really make sure 35mm fov works well. (personal thing)
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I moved out of m43 some time ago. I find the X100 just what I need and want. It's very satisfying to once again just use 1 lens without the option of something else.
I'm a 35mm fov shooter also. The X100 is perfect if you just want to work.
If you like changing lenses, adapting all kinds of things to your body, carrying a camera bag with LORD knows what's in it, then the M43 is the way to go.

Nahhhh, not me...The X100 will shine light on your thoughts and not intrude in your vision.
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That is precisely why I'm switching away from m4/3. I'm too much of a gadget freak and I wound up having this bag FULL of stuff! Adapted lenses all over the place, frantically searching thrift stores for more glass and I just wound up with an equally cumbersome setup to my DSLRs.

I'm switching to the X100 and I'll keep it with my rangefinder and call it a day
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I have been tempted by the x100 but finally didnt do it because I allread have the x1.
However over the last weeks something changed for me and I seem to not get along that well anymore with 35mm fov as only lens. It allways feels either too tight or too wide to me now.

Even though it cant compete IQ wise thats the reason why I now got a xz-1 (when I want small) and would prefer a m4/3 with 2 lenses (maybe the new Oly primes?) over the xz-1.
The big argument FOR the x100 is the optical viewfinder IMO-I just dont like EVF that much.

I just would recommend to really make sure 35mm fov works well. (personal thing)
35mm does not work so well for me either as fixed focal length. Then I rather prefer 28 or even 24.

Actually I do not understand why one would restrict to the X100 when owning a M9 with several lenses
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Maybe they don't want to take a $7000 M9 and a bag with thousands of more dollars worth of lenses everywhere they go ?

Sometimes perhaps just a simple, yet fun to shoot camera, with great IQ like the X100 fits the bill even with a M9 ??

Perhaps they like having two focal lengths such as a 21mm or a 90mm on the M9 and instead of switching lenses, the X100 makes an easy way to get a second focal length. Way less money than buying two M9's.

Perhaps they feel okay leaving the X100 under the drivers seat or in the glove box sometimes because its "only" $1200 while their M gear is $20,000 and given the backlog on the Lux glass, not really something you could replace.

Plenty of reasons to own both a M9 and a X100
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Maybe I'm alone here but I had the opportunity to check out an X100 that I lusted after but afterwards was no longer wanting. Having had an M6 years ago I really wanted to like it but found the focus sluggish and overall handling while nicely done, just so-so. I've had a G1 for three years now and like it as much as I did when I first got it (I got rid of the kit lens and just use the 20mm f1.7 which is extraordinary IMHO). I'd considered getting the GH2 but held off and I'm glad I did because I'd really like to get the G3 (which seems to be really wowing many online reviewers--the most recent being the venerable DPreview).

Every time I have considered another camera system I keep coming back to the m4/3s system for several reasons. Chief among them is, of course, the smaller, more manageable size. This is followed by reasonably superb optics (and the potential to experiment with others via adapters that, while lacking AF, can focus reasonably well using the EVF. I'd be okay with the X100's fixed lens but I find the 20mm f1.7 to be pretty good. And while the X100's hybrid finder is an engineering tour-de-force I've really enjoyed using the G1's EVF of the G1 and the new one on the G3 is a true evolutionary triumph. I also find that the swing out LCD is useful in MANY situations. Particularly when shooting off angle street photography or difficult angle ANYTHING. Self-photos are also easy to do as the LCD can be swung out and turned toward you as you fire away. The G1 showed that CAF can work well and the GH2 and G3 have now shown that it can be on a par with the best. The X100 seems to still need some work in this area.

The ISO/noise improvements in the latest iteration (G3) while still certainly not in the same league as the X100 or any other APS-C device at ISO 1600 and higher for the VAST majority of my shots which are taken in the ISO 100-650 range I have been more than content. From what I've seen the state of the art of m43 at lower ISO's is on a par with APS-C. If I need to shoot higher ISO's I have found that shooting in BW is a great way to go as it's noise has an old, romantic grain-like film quality.

If I had one complaint it would be the somewhat limited DR. Again not an issue for 95% of my shots but still something I notice when I really do need it.

So as fine an execution as the X100 is in trying to really give DRF fans a nice, affordable camera that gives you a pretty decent rangefinder experience I have to admit that I prefer the m43 as implemented in the great Lumix G's.
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And while the X100's hybrid finder is an engineering tour-de-force I've really enjoyed using the G1's EVF of the G1 and the new one on the G3 is a true evolutionary triumph.
In what way do you think the G3 EVF is superior to the G1? I have the latter, have had the GH2 (now sold) but have not yet seen a G3.

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G3 EVF seemed identical to the G1 EVF to me, other than the G1 had the eye switching sensor.

GH2 does have a slightly updated EVF with a few more pixels and perhaps a changed refresh rate, but I don't believe the G3 shares this.

G3 from everything I've read, and from owning one for a week, is the same as the G1, G2, G10
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Hi Lee,

I had heard the 'refresh' rate of the EVF was much faster in the G3 than the G1 and so therefore the 'perceived' image quality (see the part about 'rainbow effect' below) in the EVF would be better. Resolution? I guess it's about par.

Here's the quote from Imaging Resource:

"The Panasonic G3 also retains a similar electronic viewfinder design to that of the G2, but with one significant difference: the viewfinder's resolution is still 800 x 600 pixels, with a time-multiplexed design that means each pixel illuminates sequentially in red, green, and blue, providing the perception of full color at every pixel location. (Most electronic viewfinders use more traditional LCD displays, which have separate red, green, and blue dots for each pixel.) In the G3, though, the switching speed of the electronic viewfinder has been increased significantly, giving it a greater resistance to color breakup--the rainbow effect seen with time-multiplexed displays when you blink or suddenly move your eye. While we could still make it happen if we moved our eyes very rapidly, we did find the G3's display less subject to color breakup than similar EVFs we've seen in the past. The improved EVF performance is doubtless another benefit of the G3's faster sensor readout and image processing."
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35mm does not work so well for me either as fixed focal length. Then I rather prefer 28 or even 24.

Actually I do not understand why one would restrict to the X100 when owning a M9 with several lenses
I cant speak about the x100 but only the x1:
Noise wouldnt be a reason for me-with an f1.4 lens and the rangefinder focusing I feel I am fine for the "dark".
Value also wouldnt be a reason-if I dont want to bring my M9 than I also wouldnt like to bring a 1K camera but would rather take a weatherproof compact. But in 99% I am fine to bring the M9 (plus I have covered it with insurance).

The main reason to bring the x1 over the M9 for me would be size/weight. (However these days I would rather bring the xz1 for that).

The x100 IMO is great because it offers a lot of what an M9 with a 35mm prime can do for much less money, plus included flash and video.
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Re: To those with both the X100 and m43

x 100 has replaced ep1 with 12,mm m.zukio as a walk around camera until the novelty wears off , just got an x 10 in the mail and it has replaced the x 100....icant wait to get the gx 1 ,so i can use it until the ilc fujifilm arrives


honestly the iq of the x100 blows away my micro 4\3
but im keeping both cause i need an interchangable lens system for lens versitility
there something about m4\3 i love


and im done with nikon slrs
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"The X100 RAW files are better than those from my D300 and they are very close in quality to the D700's..."

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