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Hasselblad Apo 1.4XE: Blue striped vs non striped...

Ai_Print

Active member
Hi, is there any meaningful difference between the blue striped Hasselblad Apo 1.4XE converter for the 350SA and the plain black one?
I finally got around to buying a 350SA and want to pair it with the proper converter. From what I can glean through searching, there is no real functional difference.

Is it just cosmetic or is there something else afoot?
 

TechTalk

Well-known member
It's just a cosmetic difference. Earlier versions of the Teleconverter Apo 1.4XE have two blue stripes which were used to indicate lenses and accessories compatible with the electronic 200 Series. Later versions omitted the blue stripes from the barrel of the teleconverter. The later all black version has the same electronic contacts as the earlier version and the optics are identical as well.

CFE SA350.pngAPO 1.4XE.png
 

jng

Well-known member
Hi, is there any meaningful difference between the blue striped Hasselblad Apo 1.4XE converter for the 350SA and the plain black one?
I finally got around to buying a 350SA and want to pair it with the proper converter. From what I can glean through searching, there is no real functional difference.

Is it just cosmetic or is there something else afoot?
I have the non-blue stripe version. Optically it is fine and as @TechTalk mentions it has the electronic contacts. There is a small difference in the housing at the tip of the converter’s protruding element but as far as I know, all versions are optically identical. These pieces are rare enough so that if you find one in good shape you should just grab it.

John
 

anyone

Well-known member
I have the version with the blue stripes. It's a very good optical design, you get a very capable 500mm lens when using it.
 

Ai_Print

Active member
Good to hear, I found a basically unused all black one, got it and the 350SA this evening, it too is in totally flawless condition. And wow, what image quality!

One thing I have noticed though is that I get a bit of vignetting when using the 350 SA with my X2D where as I never get any with my regular 350 CF. It gets a bit worse with the Apo 1.4XE on it. I will have to play around with the two adapters, a Fotodiox tilt/shift and the regular Hasselblad one which was what was giving me the hard cutoff in the very corners.

And what really surprised me is that I got top of the image cutoff in using my 501CM's where as I never have before with any lens since they have the gliding mirror. It was bad enough with the Apo 1.4XE attached that I will have to make sure to use my grid screen so I can calculate the loss of image and then recompose.

Anyone else have these odd behaviors with this lens and the 1.4X converter?
 

MGrayson

Subscriber and Workshop Member
I have no vignetting issues with the 350 SA with or without the APO 1.4XE and the Hasselblad XV adapter on the X2D. Do you see any obstructions when you look through the lens + adapter?
 
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jng

Well-known member
Good to hear, I found a basically unused all black one, got it and the 350SA this evening, it too is in totally flawless condition. And wow, what image quality!

One thing I have noticed though is that I get a bit of vignetting when using the 350 SA with my X2D where as I never get any with my regular 350 CF. It gets a bit worse with the Apo 1.4XE on it. I will have to play around with the two adapters, a Fotodiox tilt/shift and the regular Hasselblad one which was what was giving me the hard cutoff in the very corners.

And what really surprised me is that I got top of the image cutoff in using my 501CM's where as I never have before with any lens since they have the gliding mirror. It was bad enough with the Apo 1.4XE attached that I will have to make sure to use my grid screen so I can calculate the loss of image and then recompose.

Anyone else have these odd behaviors with this lens and the 1.4X converter?
Yes, I've found that the 350 SA + APO 1.4XE shows a bit of vignetting on the X2D, just a bit of clipping in the corners. I don't recall this being a problem on the X1D and, oddly enough, I don't think this occurs without the extender but will need to check to verify. No issue with vignetting when using my Cambo + IQ4 150, so I imagine there's some physical obstruction in the X2D camera body? Will need to check with the 907x as well...

John
 

Ai_Print

Active member
I am pretty sure it is the rounded corners of the front baffle on the adapter, otherwise it would show up as a major obstruction when looking through a V system body. I checked it with a Flexbody which is about as direct as can be and showed a totally clear view.

I might have to grind those corners out, otherwise it will be problematic for stitched images…
 
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MGrayson

Subscriber and Workshop Member
Whoops! I was wrong. I just tested against a blank wall while focused at infinity. 350 SA + APO 1.4XE (all black version :LOL: )
f/11

f/5.6


Never noticed it!

Matt
 
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jng

Well-known member
I am pretty sure it is the rounded corners of the front baffle on the adapter, otherwise it would show up as a major obstruction when looking through a V system body. I checked it with a Flexbody which is about as direct as can be and showed a totally clear view.

I might have to grind those corners out, otherwise it will be problematic for stitched images…
I've found it easy enough to clone out the dark corners. For multi-panel stitches, I suppose one can just crop them out before stitching.
 

Ai_Print

Active member
I've found it easy enough to clone out the dark corners. For multi-panel stitches, I suppose one can just crop them out before stitching.
I stitch raw files only, so I will see how it goes tomorrow. I might be ok with 1/3rd overlap but LR does weird things with falloff in blue skies. The high country got another foot of snow so up at 5AM and then off I go…
 

jng

Well-known member
I did a little test on the 907x-CFV100C. As far as I can tell, the camera's lens mount on the 907x and X2D are identical - i.e., as @Ai_Print showed, the circular opening just behind the lens mount just clips the corners of the sensor. Obviously no issue with native lenses but apparently causing some clipping/vignetting at least with the 350 Tele-SA + APO 1.4XE. Here's what I found:
- 350 Tele-SA @ f/5.6: corner clipping/vignette
- 350 Tele-SA @ f/8: some residual corner clipping/vignette
- 350 Tele-SA @ f/11: no clipping/vignette
- 350 Tele-SA + APO 1.4XE @ f/5.6-f/22: corner clipping/vignette, decreasing and minimal by f/22 (but who would shoot this fabulous lens at f/22)

And for reference:
- 250 Superachromat @ f/11: no vignette

So, it seems that the issue with the 350 can be minimized/eliminated by stopping down, but not entirely when using the APO 1.4XE tele-extender. In any case, the amount of vignetting is minimal even in the worst case, easily handled by a quick spot healing toolbrush if one wants to use the entire frame.

John

P.S. Thinking myself to be clever, I used the 907x's handy tool for entering lens metadata to keep track of what I was doing. However, upon importing the files to my computer, none of the lens metadata appears either in Phocus or Adobe Bridge. Does anyone here know the trick to reveal the lens metadata?

EDIT: nevermind - I just updated Phocus from 3.7.6 to 3.8.1 (the latter updated to handle files from the 907x-CFV100C - doh!) and the manually entered lens metadata are visible when images are imported with the updated software. It seems a bit buggy, however... For example, the software defaults to CF 250 for images labeled as shot with the CF 250 SA, so always good to check what's listed before accepting default lens corrections. Also, focus settings don't appear to transfer to the lens corrections tab...
 
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jng

Well-known member
Whoops! I was wrong. I just tested against a blank wall while focused at infinity. 350 SA + APO 1.4XE (all black version :LOL: )
f/11

f/5.6


Never noticed it!

Matt
Matt,

Consistent with what I reported in my previous post, looking more closely at your test images the clipping/vignetting is greater at "f/5.6" than at "f/11" (f-stops in quotes, not taking into account the effective one-stop decrease in aperture due to the 1.4x increase in focal length (rendering f/5.6 -> f/8 and f/11 -> f/16). :eek:

John
 

MGrayson

Subscriber and Workshop Member
Matt,

Consistent with what I reported in my previous post, looking more closely at your test images the clipping/vignetting is greater at "f/5.6" than at "f/11" (f-stops in quotes, not taking into account the effective one-stop decrease in aperture due to the 1.4x increase in focal length (rendering f/5.6 -> f/8 and f/11 -> f/16). :eek:

John
Yeah, I was reading off of the lens barrel. Bad Matt! :unsure:
 
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