Schneider Kreuznach Apo-Digitar 5.6/43mm XL-102 MC in Arca R-Mount

[ihdap]

Schneider Kreuznach Apo-Digitar 5.6/43mm XL-102 MC in Arca R-Mount

Hi,
I am thinking about selling my SK-43. It´s in perfect condition. I am based in Germany.
Is there any interest in that lens here at the forum?
Should I list it in eBay?
I will post some images within the next days.

Regards Peter

 

[f8orbust]

There's always going to be interest because it's such a great and rare lens (more so if you have the centre filter), so all you can do is list it with photos and a price and see where it goes.

eBay will get you more traction - in terms of eyes on the sale - and buyers like the various levels of protection available, but that all of course comes at a price in terms of eBay fees. That said, if you can get a higher price there (not always guaranteed), it might help to offset the additional costs.

 

[Paul Spinnler]

ebay is typically better as Schneider glass is highly sought after in China. You should be able to fetch 5k EUR+ there ...

 

[espelancer]

I am definitely interested.

BTW, I heard all good about 43xl. I wonder how is the sharpness on the corner especially with movements? As a comparison, the corner of 47XL is degraded in my eyes with 5mm movement. I wonder how much movement can 43XL give me.

 

[Paul Spinnler]

The 43XL will give you 20mm+ of sharp movements, but you'll have to deal with LCC correction. It is not a problem with a BSI back.

This lens works best with the Dalsa 60 chip and the IQ4 chip. On the Hassy chip you need to correct on top the PDAF artifacts.

It is a legendary lens for architectural photography and IMHO one of the best wides ever made.

It goes for 5k-6k EUR unmounted / Arca and in Alpa mount can go for a lot more. This said, given its usefulness, rising optics prices in general, the price is in the end a function of demand and this lens in particular is one of the top SK lenses - it is significantly better than the 47XL when shifted and overall - it resolves the IQ4 ...

 

[espelancer]

I use IQ4 with Arca Swiss R. So this is just perfect for me. I do landscape though

 

[usm]

Are you selling or just asking for a price? Please Pm me.

 

[f8orbust]

Adding to all this, remember that for any potential buyer there's only one new alternative - the R/S 40 - and it currently retails in Arca mount for close to 8000 () Euros (in aperture only mount). Given a choice, I'd prefer to have the 43 due to it's minimal distortion.

 

[Paul Spinnler]

Yes the Rodie prices have increased dramatically, and might increase further, so even 6k EUR is reasonable ... vs. 8k for the Rodie - mind you ex VAT. I calculated a while back if the 43 XL would be sold today ie, around 10y after it has been discontinued, it probably would retail new just below the Rodie as they were roundaout the same price, with the Rodie being, a bit more 10y ago, ie in the ballpark of 6k vs SK in the zip code of about 5k.

 

[ihdap]

Here are some images of my lens. It is in absolutely flawless condition — everything works perfectly, no fungus, no scratches, nothing at all. It’s really in excellent shape. The set is complete with all ARCA parts, all lens caps, and the original center filter.
One thing that struck me again while handling it: the lens is remarkably small and light, which makes it a great match for a carry-around camera like the Factum (just to be clear: I’m of course not selling the Factum).

I also own the Rodenstock HR 40, and I always assumed the two lenses might be too close in focal length for me — that’s why I had been leaning towards letting this one go. But after reading all the praise it receives here in the forum, I must admit you’ve made me a little nervous about deciding too quickly. So I’ll take the weekend to think it over before setting a final price.

That said, I do plan to sell it because I’m looking to move towards a Rodenstock HR 180mm. If someone is interested in a swap or wants to make me an offer, feel free to reach out — the right proposal might convince me sooner.


Best Peter
petervoigt.com

 

[f8orbust]

If someone is interested in a swap or wants to make me an offer, feel free to reach out ...

I hate to be 'that guy' but the rules of the forum are such that if you're selling, you need to state a price, otherwise you're effectively turning your listing into a silent auction.

Good luck with the sale.

 

[Paul Spinnler]

I hate to be 'that guy' but the rules of the forum are such that if you're selling, you need to state a price, otherwise you're effectively turning your listing into a silent auction.

Good luck with the sale.

I think it is fair for a professional who rarely visits the forum to be unsure about the price to test the waters otherwise he risks being taken advantage of. He's clearly stating his intent and what is on offer potentially and said he will come back. So silent auction is not the right word in this clear case of a pro coming here for a mix of selling / advice - it is not realistic to expect in this case someone to come up with a right number without having done some research before. That's why he also posted it transparently asking whether there would be interest for this lens and what the best place to sell it is.

What I am saying - in this case it is understandable ... 43 XLs are rare and pricing is subject to a deeper understanding of precedent transactions and ongoing dynamics in the SK niche market - especially in China the 43XLs are highly sought after as tech cams are still very much en vogue down there - in any case these things tend to sell for fair market value it is just important to not rush it both as seller and buyer.

 

[Rod S.]

The 43XL, like several other SK lenses, generally appears for sale on eBay so rarely that the earlier sale results are no longer viewable.

 

[2nd_Shot]

Just a caution for potential US buyers: tariffs! I recently purchased $1000 equipment (including shipping) on this forum from a member based in UK. DHL demented $474.55 for duties and fees before delivery. It really hurts.

 

[Paul Spinnler]

What was the origin of the product?

What people sometimes mistakenly assume is that the tariffs are based on the country from where it is shipped vs. the country of origin of the product which is the true basis for calculation.

For tech cam glass its 15% on top (Germany) that is. ...

 

[2nd_Shot]

I think Netherlands (some Cambo stuff)

 

[f8orbust]

I think it is fair for a professional who rarely visits the forum to be unsure about the price to test the waters otherwise he risks being taken advantage of ...

If someone wants to start a general discussion, get advice etc. about the value of a bit of gear, no problem - but there are plenty of more appropriate places on this forum for that broader discussion than here.

The rules are the rules, and they're clear for all to see. Don't like them? Fine, make an argument to get rid of them and then get a consensus to that effect - but while they're here, they're here for everyone, and until the last couple of years they worked pretty well.

Polluting the B&S section (even further) with opinion pieces just reduces it's attractiveness to, and effectiveness for, all users - something which (IMHO) has contributed to the fact that the B&S section is nowhere near as vibrant as it once was, which in turn has had a (negative) knock-on effect for site traffic as a whole.

Still not sure what something's worth, and don't want to do the leg work - such as contacting a quality dealer like Linhof & Studio (Paula is amazingly helpful) - then stick it on eBay as an auction starting at $1 with no reserve - you'll be amazed at the sort of traction that can generate.

 

[Paul Spinnler]

... wait a minute, are you the guy now with too much time on his hands, reading again and again the FS section rules from 15y ago, to admonish pros who aren't often on a forum, about the "non-compliance" of their sales posts?

"I hate to be 'that guy' but the rules of the forum are such that if you're selling, you need to state a price, otherwise you're effectively turning your listing into a silent auction."

Yes, you are! Do you have nothing better to do?

Point is, he's unsure and is now thinking about it and in the end the price will be the price and all will be fine. And the fact that he takes his time is NO problem, except in your world.

For the rest of the world there will be a price soon enough and then it will sell. That's it.

 

[darr]

Well, I don’t exactly have too much time on my hands, but I do keep an eye on prices for certain things. When I saw this Buy & Sell / Gear FS or WTB ad pop up, I took a look. Right away, I thought—hmmm, this seems to go against the rules because:

He says he is “thinking about selling” the lens.
He asks if there’s interest or if he should list it on eBay.
He says he’ll post images later.
But he does not state a price.

That makes it more of a “feeler” or “interest check” than a proper For Sale listing. Even though he mentions the lens and condition, without a price, it doesn’t meet the forum’s stated requirement. He should create a non-for-sale post seeking help with the lens's value.

My 2 cents.

 

[Paul Spinnler]

Well, I don’t exactly have too much time on my hands, but I do keep an eye on prices for certain things. When I saw this Buy & Sell / Gear FS or WTB ad pop up, I took a look. Right away, I thought—hmmm, this seems to go against the rules because:

He says he is “thinking about selling” the lens.
He asks if there’s interest or if he should list it on eBay.
He says he’ll post images later.
But he does not state a price.

That makes it more of a “feeler” or “interest check” than a proper For Sale listing. Even though he mentions the lens and condition, without a price, it doesn’t meet the forum’s stated requirement. He should create a non-for-sale post seeking help with the lens's value.

My 2 cents.

Darr I hear you

Yes, it is a "feeler" post, but we sometimes have them, I think Vieri was also long time in "feeler" territory with his initial "thinking of selling my Alpa gear" post and especially in clear cases of non-frequent sellers seeking some guidance I think one should take a measured approach with some grace. I think he'll price it soon enough and then people can see if it ok for them. Clearly the sales intent is there ...

The SK greats are notoriously difficult to price, one has to concede that, given how dynamic the market is atm (lower demand in the West, high demand in Asia) ...