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No, not price, but certainly a factor. I chose Pentax over Phase. I am not sure the Phase system is worth a $15K premium, if this camera is $10K. And don't forget Hasselblad. I chose Pentax over Hasselbald too.I'm thinking that the 645D is aimed at a whole different customer segment than Phase One, and that there's very few that would actually choose between a Pentax and a Phase One system based on price. That is even if a Pentax would cost $5K and have the exact same image quality as the IQ250, the IQ250 would still sell well for $35K, as it gives access to the Phase One system which is so well established in some professional segments.
With the current 645D priced at $7K (it's release price was $9.5K in 2010) I would be surprised if 645D II becomes more expensive than $10K, unless they aim to run these two models in parallel for a longer period of time.
I think Pentax would fail to meet their current customers if they would price it at say $20K, and still not attract Phase One customers, so that would be a bad move.
How big is Pentax 645D in studio, fashion, commercials? I'm thinking that it's the space held by Hasselblad and Phase, and Pentax is more for the outdoor shooter, but I'm not sure.No, not price, but certainly a factor. I chose Pentax over Phase. I am not sure the Phase system is worth a $15K premium, if this camera is $10K. And don't forget Hasselblad. I chose Pentax over Hasselbald too.
BTW, Pentax is looking for new customers, not trying to get other brands customers that have an established system. So, if you were looking for a new MFD DSLR and you had the choice among Pentax, Phase, and Hasselblad, I am sure the Pentax would be worth serious consideration.
My guess would be 18 months give or take a few.Does anyone know how long it took Phase to get the chip from Sony to the time they announced/delivered the IQ250? I am curious now how long these product cycles are going to be. It seems like it is going to accelerate quite a bit quicker now and we could be seeing some full frame CMOS sensor results come Photokina. Does Dalsa make CMOS sensors?
+1What I find the most interesting of all in these releases is EVERYONE turned to Sony for the 50mpx Sensor. To me regardless of form factor on bodies this is truly unique and at the same time not a very good sign for the MF sensor players out there. We went from 3 to 1 sensor maker and the one left standing was the CMOS maker Sony. I find this very odd and also makes Sony holding the cards.
Although I realize different cameras that utilize the same chip such as the D800 and A7r often have different imaging attributes due to electronics and optics used, there certainly is a similarity or family resemblance as to image characteristics. This in itself has me a bit worried with regards to all these MF cameras now using the same 50mm Sony chip. At the price points of some of the MF cameras, one would hope to see great diversity in image look from them.What I find the most interesting of all in these releases is EVERYONE turned to Sony for the 50mpx Sensor. To me regardless of form factor on bodies this is truly unique and at the same time not a very good sign for the MF sensor players out there. We went from 3 to 1 sensor maker and the one left standing was the CMOS maker Sony. I find this very odd and also makes Sony holding the cards. I would watch it this stops Sony at nothing throwing this sensor in a body of there own or even a cut down version for there A series bodies.
Right now with the A7r they certainly have the tech to do just about anything and more important the balls to do it.
Sure, folks have preferences. While Pentax is new to the MFD market, it was not in the film market in commercial and fashion photography. I don't think there is such a thing as indoor or outdoor cameras. Steve McCurry used Hasselblad MFD cameras for his documentary work. I have use the Pentax in the studio--when I was looking to buy the camera, I found some videos of commercial photographer trying out the 645d for fashion.How big is Pentax 645D in studio, fashion, commercials? I'm thinking that it's the space held by Hasselblad and Phase, and Pentax is more for the outdoor shooter, but I'm not sure.
I'd surely choose the Pentax over the Phase 645DF+ if I would have only one camera. But money aside I choose a Phase back with a tech cam over a Pentax for shooting landscape. I just love the tech cam workflow. But again, the reason I use MF is because of the tech cam. For DSLR-style of work I'm quite satisfied with my Canon, despite it's DR limits
That way, when Sony goes bankrupt, we are all :banghead:.What I find the most interesting of all in these releases is EVERYONE turned to Sony for the 50mpx Sensor.
Me too Dave. I'm not liking the fact they are all relying on one chip maker. And as Will said above . HelloAlthough I realize different cameras that utilize the same chip such as the D800 and A7r often have different imaging attributes due to electronics and optics used, there certainly is a similarity or family resemblance as to image characteristics. This in itself has me a bit worried with regards to all these MF cameras now using the same 50mm Sony chip. At the price points of some of the MF cameras, one would hope to see great diversity in image look from them.
Whether that's the case is to be seen but like Guy I to am a bit worried when it now comes down to a single chip maker for implementation.
Dave (D&A)
Still a good chance that Leica will turn to CMOSIS for the next S chip...Me too Dave. I'm not liking the fact they are all relying on one chip maker. And as Will said above . Hello