Hasselblad discontinues the H?

[tcdeveau]

Anybody still shooting with a tech cam is likely looking forward to the CFV-100c, and it can do things for tech cam users that the X2D-100c can't do. Maybe it would also attract new users to tech cams who wanted to try out a BSI sensor but didn't have (or want to shell out) the $$ for an IQ4.

I think Hasselblad should test the hypothesis of various members here by releasing it and we can all see what happens....just sayin pspsps Hasselblad are you listening?

 

[leejo]

I wrote about the compromises at length here: https://leejo.github.io/2021/05/31/hasselblad_reality/

 

[buildbot]

I wrote about the compromises at length here: https://leejo.github.io/2021/05/31/hasselblad_reality/

Totally off topic, but I literally came across your post yesterday somehow! I’ve been going back and forth on how nuts it would be to bring my IQ3 skiing, it’s nice to see someone else has tried something similar to great effect!

 

[TechTalk]

Yes, many, many combinations.

I see no reason why a 907x 50C II wouldn't replicate similar success as the original 907x.

The Hasselblad 907X 50 CFV II MultiVerse

Steve Hendrix/CI

Thanks for the link Steve. I had missed that article. It illustrates many of the options very well.

Another Alpa option is their Silex Mk II control unit which provides use and control of the leaf shutter in Hasselblad HC/HCD lenses. It will be interesting to see if anything comes from the statement — "ALPA of Switzerland is celebrating the start of its collaboration with Hasselblad by launching the ALPA 12 STC Silver Edition, numbered and limited to 50 pieces worldwide." The "collaboration" in this case may simply mean one or more special editions with cosmetic differences. They could mean something more substantial, but time will tell.

 

[leejo]

Totally off topic, but I literally came across your post yesterday somehow! I’ve been going back and forth on how nuts it would be to bring my IQ3 skiing, it’s nice to see someone else has tried something similar to great effect!

I often snowboard with the XPan on and off the pistes, which is where most of the alpine panoramics are shot, so it didn't seem too great a leap to take the CFV II 50c and Toyo 45AII with me (I'd taken the latter a couple of times already)

 

[buildbot]

Thanks for the link Steve. I had missed that article. It illustrates many of the options very well.

Another Alpa option is their Silex Mk II control unit which provides use and control of the leaf shutter in Hasselblad HC/HCD lenses. It will be interesting to see if anything comes from the statement — "ALPA of Switzerland is celebrating the start of its collaboration with Hasselblad by launching the ALPA 12 STC Silver Edition, numbered and limited to 50 pieces worldwide." The "collaboration" in this case may simply mean one or more special editions with cosmetic differences. They could mean something more substantial, but time will tell.

+ Sinar E-shutter?
Or Rollei 6000 lenses? I see everywhere that it is not currently available - anyone have any insight into what happened there?

They have been working with Hasselblad for awhile - they made the Alpa Platon for the H6D-100C back in 2018: https://www.cined.com/alpa-platon-rehousing-hasselblad-medium-format-cameras-for-4k-raw-video/
(someone actually reviewed it even : https://ff.de/my-alpa-platon-experience/)

I often snowboard with the XPan on and off the pistes, which is where most of the alpine panoramics are shot, so it didn't seem too great a leap to take the CFV II 50c and Toyo 45AII with me (I'd taken the latter a couple of times already)

Wow, totally with it - amazing photos!

 

[jduncan]

The CFV-50c was my first digital back and it was a real hassle to use it on a technical camera due to, for example, non-adjustable live-view, no ES, and need for LCC for most lenses. So can fully relate to your comment of "massive bag of compromise", but I expect that the CFV-100c will resolve most of or all the major issues I had with the CFV-50c.

With HB's X system apparently doing very well HB surely will keep on developing the CFV. Something we can't be certain about P1's IQs.

This is so funny, for years and years, digitalback shooters used technical cameras without the benefit of live view.
Oh boy, how much the times have changed

Best regards.

 

[ThdeDude]

[QUOTE jduncan
This is so funny, for years and years, digitalback shooters used technical cameras without the benefit of live view.
[/QUOTE]

And before that we used film and had to use polaroid film if we wanted to see at location what we are getting.

 

[ThdeDude]

"You are attributing a quote to me which is not something I wrote. Please correct it. Thanks."

Sure. I wrote it, not you. Before digital I used film including instant polaroid if I wanted to see at location what I am photographing.

P.S. Now I realized what the oversight was.

 

[doccdiamond]

+ Sinar E-shutter?
Or Rollei 6000 lenses? I see everywhere that it is not currently available - anyone have any insight into what happened there?

They have been working with Hasselblad for awhile - they made the Alpa Platon for the H6D-100C back in 2018: https://www.cined.com/alpa-platon-rehousing-hasselblad-medium-format-cameras-for-4k-raw-video/
(someone actually reviewed it even : https://ff.de/my-alpa-platon-experience/)


Wow, totally with it - amazing photos!

The Sinar E-Shutter production has been discontinued.

 

[Steve Hendrix]

The Sinar E-Shutter production has been discontinued.

Yes, in a very major way.

Steve Hendrix/CI

 

[ThdeDude]

The Sinar E-Shutter production has been discontinued.

Wasn't it the same than the Rollei/Schneider/Rodenstock eShutter?

 

[ThdeDude]

If you wouldn't mind correcting the quote in your post, I'd appreciate it.

Done.

 

[Steve Hendrix]

Wasn't it the same than the Rollei/Schneider/Rodenstock eShutter?

No, there was Rodenstock/Sinar eShutter.

Schneider eShutter was totally different (older) animal.


Steve Hendrix/CI

 

[TechTalk]

Done.

Thanks. I deleted my posts asking for correction.

Best regards

 

[buildbot]

Yes, in a very major way.

Steve Hendrix/CI

I’d love to know the story of all the sorid eshutters someday, and their relation to each other - To keep this on topic a bit, I know Hasselblad H lenses use i2c, and so does did Sinar for their Sinaron AF line. Rollei allegedly sold some shutter tech to Phase One…

The Sinar E-Shutter production has been discontinued.

Yeah I know, but they are still useable and interesting as history, just like the H system is!

H lenses will probably be useful for a long time given how they have been adapted to Leica S, GFX, and X1d cameras so well.

No, there was Rodenstock/Sinar eShutter.

Schneider eShutter was totally different (older) animal.


Steve Hendrix/CI

I actually use the very old Schneider shutter (max 1/60th) a lot. It works directly with emotion and eyelike backs, if you have the magic lemo cable! My shutter has literally over a million actuations which is impressive.

 

[TechTalk]

I’d love to know the story of all the sorid eshutters someday, and their relation to each other - To keep this on topic a bit, I know Hasselblad H lenses use i2c, and so does did Sinar for their Sinaron AF line. Rollei allegedly sold some shutter tech to Phase One…

I switched many years ago from Sinar multi-shot backs with a Sinarcam shutter on a Sinar p2 to an Imacon multi-shot back. I remounted the lenses into Rollei electronic shutters with the Rollei Lens Control S. Rollei offered an excellent solution and had the fastest top speed of the available options at 1/500.

Here's what Eric Hiss at Rolleiflex USA has to say about the Rollei and Phase One shutter connection:

HS 1000 Electronic Shutter Rolleiflex DHW USB controlled shutter Copal 0

In 2014/2015 DHW (Rolleiflex) designed and built a new electronic shutter to replace their venerable Rollei electronic shutters using a microchip controller which operates via USB. These they had working at 1/1000th speeds and controlled via USB. I was sent this one unit to look at. It's a working prototype, but no software really exists for it. I sent this to a tech for phase one via digital back dealers to look at around that time and the IP for these was later purchased by Phase One. It seems a lot of it went into Phase One's newly introduced electronic shutters. This shutter is functional but you would be on your own trying to get it to work. I'm selling it more as a very collectible item, I actually only know of two pieces every being made, and as such an interesting part of Rollei History. Rolleiflex has been at the forefront of imaging technology many times, including development of Medium format digital backs in the 1990's. Much of what they have developed has found its way into cameras from other brands.

Link to above The webpage may be very slow to load.

 

[Steve Hendrix]

I actually use the very old Schneider shutter (max 1/60th) a lot. It works directly with emotion and eyelike backs, if you have the magic lemo cable! My shutter has literally over a million actuations which is impressive.

Ah yes, I fondly recall the Eyelike days. Sold quite a few of them (relatively!). I can't recall the name of the US manager that I worked with - Thomas ... something. And Bruce Myren on tech support. For a time, the Schneider lenses in Schneider shutter shipped with "lifetime warranty", said so right on the box.


Steve Hendrix/CI

 

[buildbot]

I switched many years ago from Sinar multi-shot backs with a Sinarcam shutter on a Sinar p2 to an Imacon multi-shot back. I remounted the lenses into Rollei electronic shutters with the Rollei Lens Control S. Rollei offered an excellent solution and had the fastest top speed of the available options at 1/500.

Here's what Eric Hiss at Rolleiflex USA has to say about the Rollei and Phase One shutter connection:

HS 1000 Electronic Shutter Rolleiflex DHW USB controlled shutter Copal 0

In 2014/2015 DHW (Rolleiflex) designed and built a new electronic shutter to replace their venerable Rollei electronic shutters using a microchip controller which operates via USB. These they had working at 1/1000th speeds and controlled via USB. I was sent this one unit to look at. It's a working prototype, but no software really exists for it. I sent this to a tech for phase one via digital back dealers to look at around that time and the IP for these was later purchased by Phase One. It seems a lot of it went into Phase One's newly introduced electronic shutters. This shutter is functional but you would be on your own trying to get it to work. I'm selling it more as a very collectible item, I actually only know of two pieces every being made, and as such an interesting part of Rollei History. Rolleiflex has been at the forefront of imaging technology many times, including development of Medium format digital backs in the 1990's. Much of what they have developed has found its way into cameras from other brands.

Link to above The webpage may be very slow to load.

Yep! That’s my source for that

What’s interesting is that could mean there is actually a solid link between the sinar eshutter, rollei solution, and phase one. Sinar and Rollei collaborated on the Hy6, the firmware of which is definitely used as well in the Sinar M - the display is exactly the same as the hy6!!! There are references in the headers from the sinar M firmware updater to the “rollei af module”. So the CMV/CAB shutters might also be related as the Sinar M can manage those too. Or not!

Rollei and phase one actually worked together a lot too and built some aerial cameras using the 6000 series lenses and later the electronic shutters combined with p series and iq series backs in a tiny package:

(If someone has that black box I will pay you good money for it!!!)

 

[TechTalk]

...They have been working with Hasselblad for awhile - they made the Alpa Platon for the H6D-100C back in 2018: https://www.cined.com/alpa-platon-rehousing-hasselblad-medium-format-cameras-for-4k-raw-video/
(someone actually reviewed it even : https://ff.de/my-alpa-platon-experience/)

First, thanks for linking to the review article which I hadn't seen before. I knew there was something familiar about the name of the person doing the review, Florian Friedrich, but it took a quick search to jog my memory. Florian Friedrich is active in the ICDM (International Committee for Display Metrology) and is their subcommittee chair for HDR. I remember him from the German language site PRAD which offers excellent display tests and reviews. His work is discussed there occasionally and he authored their test report (English translation) for the extraordinary Eizo CG3146 HDR reference monitor. So, thank you for the link to his website and review!

* Addendum — One excerpt from Florian Friedrich's test report of the Eizo CG3146 HDR reference monitor linked above in which he specifically refers to medium format users (Google Translate version from German to English): "We have never seen autumnal landscape shots with small bright green, yellow and red leaves in front of a blue sky so well from any display. Let's be honest: Many photographers with expensive medium format cameras from Hasselblad, Fujifilm or PhaseOne have never really seen the image quality of their camera, because the contrast and color range of the images cannot be shown so well by any other display."

Photographers aren't rushing to spend $32,000 to see their images displayed on a monitor capable of maintaining such extreme brightness and contrast range across individual pixels. These are clearly specialized displays made for a very specific type of application. But it is interesting to consider how our images might look if such output were more readily accessible and what the future may hold in that regard.